Oct 10th 2008 5:27PM
What Happens After I Submit my Site to DMOZ?
One of the most frequently asked questions about DMOZ is what happens once a site is submitted to the directory. To help provide some insight into the review process, editor chaos127 has prepared an excellent and thorough guide to the way in which editors route and review sites.
Emily
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Website owners often complain about the time it takes for the sites they suggest to be listed in the Open Directory Project. Indeed, many often assume that their site has been rejected when it doesn't show up within a couple of weeks. Instead, it is far more likely that the site is still waiting for a volunteer editor to review it.
So why does it take so long to review suggested sites? Well, we get something in the region of 30,000 new site suggestions every week, and the number of active editors is currently just under 6,000. The process of reviewing and listing a site is not as straightforward as some people might think. First, editors need to check whether or not the site meets out site selection criteria. Then they need to ensure that the title and description follow our editing style guidelines, editing or rewriting them if necessary. Finally, the editor needs to make sure the listing is published in the most appropriate category. (And of course adding suggested sites isn't the only thing that editors need to do to build and maintain the directory - but that's something for a future post).
To help readers understand all the processed that go in to approving (or rejecting) a suggested site, we've prepared a step-by-step guide: How suggested sites are reviewed and published at the ODP. You'll see that using the correct title, providing a proper description, and suggesting your site to the right category are all likely to speed up the process of getting your site listed. It will also leave more editorial time free for reviewing everyone else's sites too.
How suggested sites are reviewed and published at the ODP
The following step-by-step guide details the typical way in which a publicly suggested site is reviewed and listed (or rejected) by editors at the Open Directory Project. For further details about site suggestions, please see: ODP Help: Submitting your site.
1. A member of the public finds a good website that isn't listing in the ODP. (There is no requirement for it to be the owner of the site who suggests it.)
2. He/she finds a suitable category and uses the "suggest URL" form to suggest it to us. A confirmation screen shows that the suggestion has been received. (No other communication from the ODP or its editors concerning the suggestion should be expected.)
3. Some manual spam filters allow repeated, multiple, automatic, and malicious submissions to be filtered out at an early stage and prevent ordinary editors having to deal with such suggestions. Only suggestions made in clear defiance of the site suggestion instructions are removed at this point.
4. A couple of days after the suggestion was made, the site suggestion appears in the unreviewed pool of the category in question. The unreviewed pool for each category is a special hidden area visible only to editors. It contains the sites suggested to that category by the public, and also any sites specifically moved there by editors.
5. Time passes until an editor with permissions in that category decides to look at the unreviewed pool and review some sites. This could take anywhere from a few minutes to a year or more. (Note that all editors are volunteers, adding new sites isn't the only editing activity, and that public suggestions aren't the only source of sites to add.)
6. An editor decides to review some sites in the category in question. The editor may or may not decide to look at the particular suggestion. Some look at sites in date order, some look for ones with titles and descriptions that already meet our guidelines for site titles and descriptions.
8. The editor now has to decide if the current category is the best one for the site, and if necessary rewrite the description to meet our site description guidelines. If the current category is suitable, then the description is rewritten and the site published. Go to #9. If not, then the site will sent to a more appropriate category. There are now several possibilities:
9. The site is now officially listed in the ODP.
Emily
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Website owners often complain about the time it takes for the sites they suggest to be listed in the Open Directory Project. Indeed, many often assume that their site has been rejected when it doesn't show up within a couple of weeks. Instead, it is far more likely that the site is still waiting for a volunteer editor to review it.
So why does it take so long to review suggested sites? Well, we get something in the region of 30,000 new site suggestions every week, and the number of active editors is currently just under 6,000. The process of reviewing and listing a site is not as straightforward as some people might think. First, editors need to check whether or not the site meets out site selection criteria. Then they need to ensure that the title and description follow our editing style guidelines, editing or rewriting them if necessary. Finally, the editor needs to make sure the listing is published in the most appropriate category. (And of course adding suggested sites isn't the only thing that editors need to do to build and maintain the directory - but that's something for a future post).
To help readers understand all the processed that go in to approving (or rejecting) a suggested site, we've prepared a step-by-step guide: How suggested sites are reviewed and published at the ODP. You'll see that using the correct title, providing a proper description, and suggesting your site to the right category are all likely to speed up the process of getting your site listed. It will also leave more editorial time free for reviewing everyone else's sites too.
How suggested sites are reviewed and published at the ODP
The following step-by-step guide details the typical way in which a publicly suggested site is reviewed and listed (or rejected) by editors at the Open Directory Project. For further details about site suggestions, please see: ODP Help: Submitting your site.
1. A member of the public finds a good website that isn't listing in the ODP. (There is no requirement for it to be the owner of the site who suggests it.)
2. He/she finds a suitable category and uses the "suggest URL" form to suggest it to us. A confirmation screen shows that the suggestion has been received. (No other communication from the ODP or its editors concerning the suggestion should be expected.)
3. Some manual spam filters allow repeated, multiple, automatic, and malicious submissions to be filtered out at an early stage and prevent ordinary editors having to deal with such suggestions. Only suggestions made in clear defiance of the site suggestion instructions are removed at this point.
4. A couple of days after the suggestion was made, the site suggestion appears in the unreviewed pool of the category in question. The unreviewed pool for each category is a special hidden area visible only to editors. It contains the sites suggested to that category by the public, and also any sites specifically moved there by editors.
5. Time passes until an editor with permissions in that category decides to look at the unreviewed pool and review some sites. This could take anywhere from a few minutes to a year or more. (Note that all editors are volunteers, adding new sites isn't the only editing activity, and that public suggestions aren't the only source of sites to add.)
6. An editor decides to review some sites in the category in question. The editor may or may not decide to look at the particular suggestion. Some look at sites in date order, some look for ones with titles and descriptions that already meet our guidelines for site titles and descriptions.
- If the site is not looked at this time, go back to #5.
- If it is, then go on to #7
- The site is found to be listable, and the editor decides they want to list it. Go to #8.
- The site is found to be listable, but the editor decides to leave it for now for some reason - perhaps the editor has something else to do in real life, or the description would need a major (time-consuming) re-write. Go to #5.
- The editor isn't sure, so decides to leave the site for now. Perhaps someone else will have a better opinion before he/she comes back to it later. Or perhaps they'll ask a more experienced editor for an opinion. Go to #5.
- The editor isn't sure, but does know that the site doesn't belong where is it now. He/she sends the site to the unreviewed pool of a more suitable category for evaluation by an editor with more experience in that area. Go to #5.
- The site isn't listable, and so is deleted.
8. The editor now has to decide if the current category is the best one for the site, and if necessary rewrite the description to meet our site description guidelines. If the current category is suitable, then the description is rewritten and the site published. Go to #9. If not, then the site will sent to a more appropriate category. There are now several possibilities:
- The editor has permissions in the destination category, and is sure the site should be listed there, and so publishes the site. Go to #9.
- The editor has permissions in the destination category, but instead sends the site to the unreviewed pool there. This could be for a variety of reasons - perhaps he/she doesn't have that much experience in that area and isn't sure exactly which category it should be listed in; or perhaps he/she doesn't want to spend time rewriting the description, and would prefer to spend their building up listings in the current category that he/she is working on. Go to #5.
- The editor doesn't have permissions in the destination category, so the site can only be sent to the unreviewed pool. Go to #5.
9. The site is now officially listed in the ODP.
- The publicly viewable pages at http://www.dmoz.org/ will update to reflect this within a couple of days (and usually much faster), but the database that the search function is based on is only updated once a week.
- It may take up to two weeks for the listing to appear in the RDF Data Dump, which is available for download and use by others under the ODP licence.
- Downstream users of the RDF Dump (e.g. the Google Directory) update their own data sets on their own schedules, over which the ODP has no control. If a site is listed in the ODP, but not showing up in data presented by downstream users, then this matter should be taken up with the downstream user in question.




1. Nice informative site, they seem to want to help new site builders do a better job.
Posted at 3:01PM on Oct 11th 2008 by Daws Metcalf
2. I have been trying to get a site listed for five years. I have volunteered as an editor and tried to add other categories to edit that are lacking editors and have been rejected.
DMOZ doesn't really seem to be that concerned about getting the backlog taken care of.
Posted at 10:56PM on Oct 11th 2008 by Ian
3. Well, very informative, but quite sad. I didnt knew I will have to wait that much time to get listed.
Posted at 8:04AM on Oct 13th 2008 by Noclegi Szczecinek
4. Very interesting - why doesn't DMOZ communicate any of this to the person who submitted a website.
A few lines of code to produce an automated response to the person who has taken time to recommend a site would give DMOZ a huge PR hit... rather than the current 100% lack of communication that doesn't even inform the submitter if/when the site is listed.
Emails to say:
1 Thank you for submitting ... to DMOZ (list info from above in email)
2 Your submission passed/failed spam/quality check
3 Your submission is now in a pool (poss. say how many there are in the pool to give people of amount of work involved)
4 Site listed/not listed - I understand DMOZ not giving info on why or why not but just letting people know seems sensible.
Rather like the famous actress who was always very polite to the lowest people on the set; DMOZ should consider improving it's public perception whilst it's at the top rather than continuing it's current approach of we're too busy/important to communicate with you...
Posted at 10:52AM on Oct 13th 2008 by Gideon
5. Gideon (comment 4), along with many others, has hit the nail on the head.
Perhaps dmoz should answer what is surely the second most asked question: "Why is there no feedback once I submit my article?"
Perhaps one reason is that accountability would result. Feedback about the length of time taken to review sites and the reasons for acceptance/rejection might be challenged, and the whole mystery of the submission process 'revealed'!
The basic premise of dmoz is commendable - the largest and only significant human-expert-reviewed directory on the web. The problem, in my opinion, is that without any accountability its credibility is questionable at best. Would anyone bother with dmoz if it weren't for the tenuous SEO affect on Google rankings?
Posted at 11:38AM on Oct 13th 2008 by cl
6. I can truly appreciate that the site has to rely on volunteer editors to give a customary glance at a site and see if it is valid to be included in the directory but I have a familiar scenario as to many people that submit sites. I have been trying to submit a site for well over 2 years and in that 2 year period, I have probably submitted it about 6 times. I completed the submission form correctly and observed the guidelines to make sure everything was spot on.
Nothing... Absolutely nothing back... Have they received it... Who knows... Is it in the directory?...
When you are told that there are no editors for your category, the most human natural response is to volunteer as an editor albeit biased. Then you are told, 'No' as you are biased to your own link.
Looking at the sites listed in my chosen category, I can see at least 2 companies that I previously worked for that are no longer in business and haven't been trading in at least 2 years.
Now that Google have dropped the Dmoz submission from their webmaster guidelines, time for a hasty revamp I think?
Don't turn away potential editors just because they have submitted a link in the chosen category. If they are accepted as an editor and reject a link, make sure they are accountable for rejecting it and make them give a reason. If they reject it based on competition, drop them and take on another editor.
Posted at 5:27PM on Oct 13th 2008 by Roger Callan
7. @Roger Callan:
You claim to have followed the site submission instructions, yet you somehow missed the part of http://www.dmoz.org/add.html that says how many times you're allow to suggest a site... You also seem to have missed the confirmation screen you get after each suggestion saying that it was received. ;-)
Contrary to your assertion, just owning a site that belongs in a particular category is not a bar to being accepted as an editor there -- we accept many editors for whom that is the case every week. I suggest you re-read the rejection email you were sent as there must have been one or more other issues with your application.
(For those who are interested, the guidelines covering the evaluation of editor applications can be found at http://www.dmoz.org/guidelines/meta/apps.html )
Finally, when an editor deletes a site, it is already the case that they must log a reason for the deletion. The logs aren't public, but are can be inspected by other editors. This ensures editors are accountable to the rest of the editing community. As you can see from http://www.dmoz.org/guidelines/meta/abuse.html we already have well-defined procedures for dealing editors who try to abuse their position.
Posted at 6:42PM on Oct 13th 2008 by chaos127
8. (comment 7), In all honesty, I did read the guidelines but I guess frustration got the better part of me :)
I think it was more in the region of about 3 times I submitted that site, plus another 3 completely different other sites. Although I have no excuse and I do appear to be in the wrong, is 3 times really excessive? Especially over 2 years with the last one 3 days ago. I always thought guidelines were there as a guide, not a rule ;) I'm really digging myself into it now... Thanks for responding though, appreciated.
Posted at 6:34AM on Oct 14th 2008 by Roger Callan
9. I submitted my site about 4 years ago. After 2 years, I carefully reread all guidelines and submitted the site once again (there was nothing wrong with the first submission). Our site has still not been accepted.
Posted at 12:41PM on Oct 16th 2008 by The Duke
10. As a former editor for DMOZ, I can tell you that in my experience the all-powerful meta editors dictate what gets in and what doesn't. I would follow all the guidelines as an editor to the letter and sometimes a meta editor would approve it and sometimes not. It seemed to be a random process at best. I actually was far more successful getting sites removed from DMOZ, those that were no longer in business or had otherwise abandoned their online presence. Some meta editors are more reasonable than others and some seem to be merely on a power trip. After a while I got discouraged by the editing process and the inconsistency of the meta editors in what they approved and didn't approve (and the often contradictory reasons for their actions) and dropped out.
Posted at 2:53PM on Oct 14th 2008 by Former DMOZ Editor
11. i m not getting the basic thing of where to submit my blog:
kindly e-mail me if possible telling where on this site shud i post my blog !!!
Posted at 5:20PM on Oct 14th 2008 by nakul
12. @Former DMOZ Editor:
I could not agree more, my situation was I got overridden from removing outdated, 404 redirects and obvious spam from the directory. I quit after almost a year of trying to make a difference.
It's very disheartening when all your effort is for nothing.
What's even worse is http://www.resource-zone.com/forum/ where a few egos run the show and leave everyone with a question insulted and accused of spamming.
For an example may I present a url I tried to remove(giving away my identity)
http://www.mmquarterhorses.com/
Found at Top: Sports: Equestrian: Breeds: Quarter Horse: Breeders: North America: United States: Illinois
Just an abhorrent example, but why refuse to remove??
Oh well I know hutchinson will make it alright!!
FTW, I love DMOZ
Posted at 7:08PM on Oct 14th 2008 by Ranio
13. http://www.resource-zone.com/forum/member.php?u=32
Spelled it wrong, sorry!
Posted at 8:14PM on Oct 14th 2008 by Ranio
14. Thanks for this article. We didn't realize the process worked like that nor the challenges facing the editors. We have submitted our site several times over the past 3 years and so far not seen it in DMOZ. We have no clue whether it has been accepted, rejected or is pending, nor why! We figured that seeing as it didn't appear after 6 months we must have not pressed the right button, so we resubmitted, again following the strict DMOZ guidelines! After another year we figured it still must have been done incorrectly. So again we have submitted just this week. We cannot see anything wrong with our site nor the way in which we are submitting it to DMOZ. We wish we could know what the status is so that we can correct anything we're doing 'wrong' or whether it is still just a matter of waiting our turn...
Posted at 9:05PM on Oct 14th 2008 by Deanna
15. It's not only the time it takes to get listed in DMOZ (years) but the dreadful management of the current listings with dead urls, redirects and inappropriate sites. The reputation of DMOZ has sunk to an all-time low. You really don't need a listing to get highly placed in search engine results. I never use it for searches (who does?) and I never bother to try and list sites on it. DMOZ is badly run, badly managed and hopelessly inadequate to the task it has set itself.
Posted at 5:02AM on Oct 15th 2008 by Karen Bannerman
16. I submitted my site long time ago. Our site has still not been accepted.I do'nt know what happens.just wait! I told myself...
Posted at 8:14PM on Oct 15th 2008 by mayer
17. Checked listings once again. Our site is not listed. I followed every guideline, it's been over four years. One of our competitors is listed in more than one category. Is is possible that a competitor has become an editor and is keeping us out intentionally?
Posted at 12:51PM on Oct 16th 2008 by The Duke
18. thanks for the article. it was a great read.
Posted at 4:48PM on Oct 17th 2008 by Michelle
19. Upon completing the submission form, a disclaimer suggests submission of one's site gives Netscape the right to create derivatives of the listed work, among other things
Am I alone in my concern over ceding rights - any rights other than republishing some of the content - for things like derivative work to Netscape?
I had the submission form completed, but that statement stopped me in my tracks.
llhaesa
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Posted at 8:59PM on Oct 17th 2008 by llhaesa
20. Nice to know how things work on the inside.
Posted at 9:05AM on Oct 19th 2008 by filbert