Jul 10th 2009 2:31PM
Regional Editing - SmallCity, USA
DMOZ provides a wealth of local and regional resources to users in towns large and small across the US and around the world. In this post, editor crowbar talks about the experience of building out these local categories.
Emily
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One of the more rewarding tasks of editing in the Regional section of the Directory is to find a small locality (city) with only a few listings, and to put it on the Internet map by hunting down every possible site that exists for it and listing those that meet our selection criteria <link to: http://www.dmoz.org/guidelines/include.html> and fits the locality. Depending on the size of the city, it can either be quite rewarding, or quite challenging, but in either case, very important to the people who live there.
My personal view is that every small town deserves to be represented on the web, and this is my attempt to make the Directory and its editors a little more transparent about what it is we do.
As a country level editor, it's like looking at a road map of the whole United States, and each editing session is like throwing a dart at the map, wherever it lands is where I'll be working.
A small city of 15,000 – 20,000 population with only 4 or 5 sites listed would be ideal. My very first category was like that. So where do I start? There are no public suggestions waiting in this one. The first thing I want to look for is the local Chamber of Commerce which usually has a good list of business, charity, and government sites and can be a real goldmine for an editor.
Then on each one of those sites, I always look for links to other local sites, I'm building quite a large spider web of sites, and it becomes like a scavenger hunt, with one site leading to more sites. The Directory has a standard list of topical sub categories that can be used for each city, such as this one for Tampa, Florida:
http://www.dmoz.org/Regional/North_America/United_States/Florida/Local ities/T/Tampa/ . These include everything from education resources to transportation companies to local news sites.
An editor will normally only create these subcategories when he/she has 3 to 5 sites to put in each of them. What the editor is doing is building a category of entities that are located in this city. Most sites in Regional will be placed at this city (locality) level, not at the County, Region, or State levels.
Next, I'm going to look for educational sites, churches, website builders, real estate sites, and look for more links on them. If I get real desperate, I'll Google some of the zip codes I find on the sites or the first six digits of telephone numbers, both will pop up sites that exist in that area.
Now, I'll take a look at the sites at the County, Region, and State levels. They will sometimes lead me to other sites located in this locality, and I can also search the rest of the Directory. Many times there will be sites listed in a Topical category that can also be listed in the locality.
If an editor lives in the area, checking the local yellow pages of the phone book can yield a lot of sites, or the ads in local newspapers. It becomes so engrossing that a couple of hours can fly by before you know it, but the real reward is seeing a couple hundred new sites listed in all the proper subcategories. You have built something for that city and given them an equal presence on the Internet where they can compete, and they will never know it was you who did it.
The editor will never get a thank you for it, and none is expected, we do it for our own satisfaction. I suppose it's like putting a puzzle together, nobody really cares, but it was fun to do. This is just one activity, in one part of the Directory. Each area of the Directory is a little different to edit in and has its own specific guidelines, and there are many different tasks that an editor can choose to do in each editing session.
I think it's this freedom of choice and the trust that's placed in us as well as the satisfaction of building something worthwhile that keeps us at it. I hope I've given you some insight into what it is we really do inside the Directory.
Emily
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One of the more rewarding tasks of editing in the Regional section of the Directory is to find a small locality (city) with only a few listings, and to put it on the Internet map by hunting down every possible site that exists for it and listing those that meet our selection criteria <link to: http://www.dmoz.org/guidelines/include.html> and fits the locality. Depending on the size of the city, it can either be quite rewarding, or quite challenging, but in either case, very important to the people who live there.
My personal view is that every small town deserves to be represented on the web, and this is my attempt to make the Directory and its editors a little more transparent about what it is we do.
As a country level editor, it's like looking at a road map of the whole United States, and each editing session is like throwing a dart at the map, wherever it lands is where I'll be working.
A small city of 15,000 – 20,000 population with only 4 or 5 sites listed would be ideal. My very first category was like that. So where do I start? There are no public suggestions waiting in this one. The first thing I want to look for is the local Chamber of Commerce which usually has a good list of business, charity, and government sites and can be a real goldmine for an editor.
Then on each one of those sites, I always look for links to other local sites, I'm building quite a large spider web of sites, and it becomes like a scavenger hunt, with one site leading to more sites. The Directory has a standard list of topical sub categories that can be used for each city, such as this one for Tampa, Florida:
http://www.dmoz.org/Regional/North_America/United_States/Florida/Local ities/T/Tampa/ . These include everything from education resources to transportation companies to local news sites.
An editor will normally only create these subcategories when he/she has 3 to 5 sites to put in each of them. What the editor is doing is building a category of entities that are located in this city. Most sites in Regional will be placed at this city (locality) level, not at the County, Region, or State levels.
Next, I'm going to look for educational sites, churches, website builders, real estate sites, and look for more links on them. If I get real desperate, I'll Google some of the zip codes I find on the sites or the first six digits of telephone numbers, both will pop up sites that exist in that area.
Now, I'll take a look at the sites at the County, Region, and State levels. They will sometimes lead me to other sites located in this locality, and I can also search the rest of the Directory. Many times there will be sites listed in a Topical category that can also be listed in the locality.
If an editor lives in the area, checking the local yellow pages of the phone book can yield a lot of sites, or the ads in local newspapers. It becomes so engrossing that a couple of hours can fly by before you know it, but the real reward is seeing a couple hundred new sites listed in all the proper subcategories. You have built something for that city and given them an equal presence on the Internet where they can compete, and they will never know it was you who did it.
The editor will never get a thank you for it, and none is expected, we do it for our own satisfaction. I suppose it's like putting a puzzle together, nobody really cares, but it was fun to do. This is just one activity, in one part of the Directory. Each area of the Directory is a little different to edit in and has its own specific guidelines, and there are many different tasks that an editor can choose to do in each editing session.
I think it's this freedom of choice and the trust that's placed in us as well as the satisfaction of building something worthwhile that keeps us at it. I hope I've given you some insight into what it is we really do inside the Directory.




1. I agree every small town deserve to represented on the Web
Posted at 11:07PM on Jul 12th 2009 by Romaldo
2. I want to get the extracted webpages for the 4.5M urls in the DMOZ. Can you tell me how to get such data? Even just the keywords from each url is sufficient. Any idea where such data is made available?
Thanks
Posted at 1:29AM on Jul 17th 2009 by Kathir
3. For sharing thank you very much good very beautiful work
Posted at 2:00AM on Jul 14th 2009 by ciceksepetiniz
4. I'm waiting for adding my site around 3week ?
will you contact me if my request get rejected?
Posted at 7:16AM on Jul 20th 2009 by Amir Parsa
5. Kathir - DMOZ data is available as an RDF file. See http://www.dmoz.org/help/getdata.html
Posted at 6:29PM on Jul 17th 2009 by photofox
6. When the editors accept a request?
Posted at 7:18AM on Jul 20th 2009 by Amir Parsa
7. Many studying how to be listed in dmoz.
Thanks
Posted at 9:53AM on Jul 20th 2009 by Wooden furniture wholesale
8. Hi,
We have submitted our site on more than three occasions. Still didn't see our site listed. Hope I can get a reply!!
Posted at 2:02PM on Jul 20th 2009 by Leanne
9. It's great to see small cities get some recognition, but I think dmoz will need to rebrand itself. I feel like this post typifies what's wrong or right about dmoz.
The only people who are interested in editing here are people with very, very niche interests. Anything new or popular has no entries here. Harry Potter is one of the most popular things on the planet, but the latest movie, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, still does not have an entry on DMoz.
Filling out the directory with niche stuff is nice and noble, but most people aren't interested in them. How is this site any use to people if the only things you're covering are stuff that most people don't care about. I'm sure that there a lot of submissions for Harry Potter entries or the Oklahoma Thunder, but editors here just don't seem to care. But I bet if I had a submission for how to pick boogers and the varies colors they come in, it'll get an entire directory dedicated to it.
Can the admin here just give it me to straight and just tell me that you guys really don't give a crap about anything that's new or remotely interesting to the people at large.
Posted at 5:39PM on Jul 20th 2009 by bigsites
10. Regarding #9 comment by "bigsites"
Arguing that "most" people care about "Harry Potter and the "Half-Blood Prince" or even the Oklahoma Thunder (a regional team of particular interest to people in one area of one country) will be a difficult case to make. I think you may be better off arguing that these are legitimate niche topics as well.
I've seen the Oklahoma City Thunder play my regional team by the way - it was a great game.
--melaleuca fan
Posted at 11:37AM on Jul 22nd 2009 by Andrew Brewster
11. bigsites,
I just want to be clear I'm not trying to be condescending about the topics you and many people you know on and offline care about. I just want to make the point that this site is accessed globally/internationally. I know the NBA in general is extremely popular in China and while the Lakers are paid much more attention to than the Thunder, there will still be interest - particularly in a couple individual players. I think your topics should be included in the directory assuming the actual websites are quality with unique content. I guess I just had an issue with the word "most" - "most" people in the world are not interested in Harry Potter or the Thunder. This is not to say that there aren't many people who are.
I love jazz and blues and most of my friends are interested in this kind of music too. I wouldn't say most people in the world share the same interest though. It's not "pop" music (which by definition is "popular"), so I'd call it a large niche.
--melaleuca fan
Posted at 11:57AM on Jul 22nd 2009 by Andrew Brewster
12. bigsites - given the coverage of the ODP almost any specific topic will be a niche interest.
Sites covering the latest Harry Potter film will be of interest for a short while and many will fade away. The sites that will eventually be listed are those that have stood the test of time.
However communities as a whole can hardly be regarded as a niche interest. I build village categories and often there is a village site that lists all the local businesses, clubs etc (whether or not they have a website). Providing information on an entire community is more valuable in my eyes than on sites about a particular film.
Posted at 2:45PM on Jul 24th 2009 by Eric-the-Bun
13. Emily
I see that you post quite a bit here on the blog, how many actual editors are there? and When I read the forum it appears more are rejected than ever accepted. I know this is for varying reasons, but how does DMOZ plan to cope with the huge numbers of website applications? and how can you help those who want to be editors for the right reason, get through the process timely so we can actually help DMOZ, reduce the back log.
I know everyone wants listed and that is a problem, but not every editor that applys is trying to do so for their own goals.
I hate the reputation DMOZ has gotten and would truely like to help improve the process, but as with any volunteer staff you have to wait until someone takes an interest.
Mike
Posted at 6:29AM on Aug 5th 2009 by Mike Baker
14. thanks very not
Posted at 9:05AM on Jul 27th 2009 by rmcy
15. if it's hard to apply for a editor?last time when i'm applied.received a leter from yours said:Your Open Directory editor application could not be confirmed.
The error received was:
Bad authentication ticket
Posted at 10:09AM on Jul 31st 2009 by reamo
16. reamo
The best place to get your question answered is at http://www.resource-zone.com/ in the 'Becoming an Editor' thread
regards
Posted at 6:29AM on Jul 27th 2009 by Eric-the-Bun
17.
Hello! I would like to add me and my site in dmoz, but I can handle. Can you help? This Is is an automatic translation from google, I hope you understand.
Posted at 9:53AM on Jul 28th 2009 by Vlad
18. The articles hits on some good points of correctly categoring and placement of small town sites on the web. Small towns rarely get a voice in the grand scheme of things (of course with popularity of the Internet thats changing). We have submitted our site to dmoz which was started by mom, in a town of 20K now about 40K people in Arizona (horse town). I think it would be great if some how the directory was filled sites that represents the niche or thing that town is most known for and then Churchs, Chamber of Commerce....
Posted at 7:15PM on Jul 29th 2009 by John
19. can someone help me list my web site in dmoz directory ? Please !!
Posted at 5:46PM on Aug 1st 2009 by Marlena
20. @Mike: There are currently about 3,400 active editors. Details of how applications are reviewed can be found in the Guidelines at http://www.dmoz.org/guidelines/meta/apps.html
@reamo: That message usually means that the string of letters in the subject line was corrupted and so wasn't recognised by the system. When replying to the email did you follow the instructions exactly? Was the whole of the string preserved in your reply?
Unless the system recognises your reply, it won't be able to confirm your email address, and your application won't be visible for an editor to review. You'll probably need to apply again. If you have further problems, please post the details at http://www.resource-zone.com/ where someone will be able to help you.
Posted at 4:17AM on Aug 4th 2009 by chaos127